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Much of recent debate on staying or leaving the EU has related to either whether immigration should continue or be curtailed, and on the UK economy and whether it will worsen or improve after exiting the EU.
do immigrants take work, making less available for others?
Many of the UK population do not do waged work - some are children, others are pensioners, others are doleys, and others keep house.
Of sixty incomers, they will take up, say, twenty-two jobs to provide income for themselves and dependants. This has nothing to do with the jobs of the population at large. As the incomers tend to be young and ambitious, it is more likely they'll produce a surplus and thus add to the wealth of the native population.
The incomers will build houses and change the sheets of incontinent old men, while paying taxes on top.
They will not "steal your jobs". This concept is irrational and economic nonsense.
Incomers may well make the country more crowded, but they are very unlikely to lower the standard of living, until they in turn become pensioners. At this time, more young vigorous workers will be needed, a form of Ponzi scheme, or by then robots will be changing bed sheets.
Immigration is not one problem. It is refugees, it is economic migrants and more seriously, it is aggressive Islamism.
migration in a global context
Britain is no longer powerful, however romantically people may hope and wish otherwise. Uncontrolled flows of people are becoming the norms across the world. The power of governments to stop them are increasingly limited.
The powers in Europe are widely concerned by the invasion. For example, they are seeking to bribe the border states to stop the flows.
Those countries that do have more control are islands: Britain, Japan, Australia, the USA; but moderated by the mad socialist cloud cuckoo cult - socialism.
First, referendum voters must decide where they want to go. If they do not, sure as blazes, they won't get there.
protecting the 'workers' - the rich man in his castle
Meanwhile, there are those who can afford to live and move where they wish. And there are those who live as (rich) slaves worrying about the price of cabbages, and with little ability to buy a shed in London or New York. Politics is different for the rich man in his castle and the peasant in the cabbage fields.
Those that have the ability to think (most people do not) are much more free than the non-contemplative peasant.
It is a mockery and a lie that all people are 'equal', most politicians sell out to filthy lucre and fancy chandeliers. The majority of the population do not live in that world and never will.
My concerns are for those who cannot compete, the drawers of water and the hewers of wood.
'The economy' is not 'one thing', it looks very different to the lord in his castle and to the peasant outside his gate.
The EUSSR and wealth transfers are mechanisms for protecting European 'peasants'.
motivations of politicians
Politicians want votes. A higher minimum wage could act as a lever in income redistribution.
Money value is primarily controlled by the Bank of England, that is the government. Money is about power, not accounting. Much of modern UK politics is managed decline. Much else is fairly educated unions like the medics trying to grab more money for themselves.
UK wages go up too much or too quickly will not make the UK uncompetitive. If people want to sell, they will lower prices, or work longer hours, or produce better goods using their intelligence. Or simply not sell the product.
the immigration 'bogeyman'
The UK has the choices, within bounds, to increase or decrease immigration. It is the wealthy of the Middle East and Africa who can afford £6000 to cross the Channel. That means self-selection of the more successful. The alternative is North Korea and guns along the coasts, or go live in Serbia.
The way to slow immigration is to vote in a Socialist government and destroy the economy again. People are coming to the UK because the Conservative government are improving the economy and opportunities.
on the imminent UK/EU referendum
Ever increasingly, the only Outer who seems mentally focussed is Nigel Farage, and maybe he's tired and emotional. My reasons for staying in are not based on the popular 'arguments', but the attempts by the Outers are reinforcing my inclinations, not undermining them . But everyone wants something different, and most don't know what they really want, and most don't have a clue as to how to get it even if they did have a clue!
No extreme is ever a happy state. In my view, presently, the EUSSR is big enough.
First is to make the EUSSR to be more moderate. Britain can teach that to Europe, a better objective than daft maunderings about immigration and 'economics'.
Britain is one of the greatest centres of soft power on the planet. That is the serious asset the UK has at present.
real reason for remain
Britain has rescued the continent from foolishness twice in a century, and this goes back further.
The EUSSR needs Britain more than Britain needs the EUSSR.
They want a hospital, someone will have to work in it.
Some, like her, consume more than they produce.
If the average production falls below average consumption, then the standard of living falls - or does it?
China is producing plastic bath ducks on a monumental scale, and with it they are choking in the pollution. Meanwhile, twits are trying to fish ducks out of fairground stalls and 'winning' plastic cars. Or they could be lying on the beach, sleeping or driving fast cars to round circuits to nowhere.
If average production rises, then average production and consumption of plastic ducks can rise, and Chinese peasants can swap their wages for bigger TV screens.
Immigrants produce jobs as well as consume jobs. Those considering, for instance, whether to stay in the EU or not, need to stop being distracted and decide whether they want more people or not. It is not about jobs.
82% of what?
For those still transfixed by the dishonest claims from EU Referendum Leave figure-heads, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove.
Does anyone still not understand that the UK is presently close to the level regarded as 'full-employment' as accepted by economists?
There is one certain way of slowing immigration, and that is elect another fascist 'new politics' Labour government to destroy the economy. The immigration will never stop while the Conservatives are building up the economy.
Does no-one understand another basic of economics? Not only do incoming workers tend to work and pay tax, they also build houses if the interfering planners let them. They also 'work' in the NHS (the best in the world!).
The modern world has changed. People can span the world on a £500 ticket. People (migrants/refugees) are paying fishermen £6000 just for a trip across the English Channel. Perhaps those adverse to immigration hope for a Kim, or a Chaves, or a Castro to put everyone off. Is Jeremy Corbyn a friend of such heroes of the revolution?
It is technology that changes societies, not philosophies, let alone the hands of slimers and dunces like Boris and Gove.
Not only can you fly around the world like an albatross, the robots are already mopping up the factory work. This is a process bound to accelerate unless the socialists are given another chance at turning Britain into a bee-hive or ant's nest.
The only (sane) ways to get rid of the indigent economically incompetent are to educate/train them for available work, or encourage them to work with a real citizen's wage in place of means tested 'benefits'.
Aa another example, every week the French state looks somewhere else to cut pensions or grab even more taxes.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, was accused of
There is zero evidence that the real incapacitated will lose out.
There are several medical conditions that incapacitate but they can, and often do, go into remission.
Some of the incapacity benefits provide cars. For instance, I know one handicapped fellow swanning around in a new BMW, despite earning well.
There are diseases, like some forms of M.S. and strokes, that can cripple the person for a period. The person then recovers in practical terms for many years, but their benefits continue.
Socialism has once more left a near bankrupt state in the UK. Only by getting more people into work, and so paying taxes, can large economic problems be corrected to any degree.
Socialism always spends the seed corn to bribe dependent client groups, and Socialism fails to invest in the future.
That is how Britain keeps falling well below its potential, and is steadily losing its standard of living built up by Conservative and Liberal governments in the long past.
It isn't those on benefits who are losing out, it those who work and build who are being undermined by a confiscatory Socialist cult who live in millionaire's houses and exploit the real poor and the real workers.
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