transferring value (money) using the internetXavier (with advice from abelard) |
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Transferring value (money) using the internet is one of a series of documents about economics and money at abelard.org |
disclaimer: abelard.org takes no responsibility for any communications or transactions made with any of the organisations listed below, nor does abelard.org guarantee that the figures and other information given are accurate, complete, or up to date. Nor is this document to be read as any manner of advice or guarantee. Caveat emptor (let the buyer beware). |
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electronic value transfer and digitised gold systems |
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why this document is revised | ezcmoney | e-gold | ||||
the impact of 9/11 on financial transactions | webmoney | goldmoney | ||||
why not just use credit cards? | netpay | e-bullion | ||||
when credit cards cannot be used on-line | solar billing | pecunix | ||||
credit card downsides | stormpay | evocash | ||||
what is a digitised currency? | moneybookers | paypal | ||||
what is digitised gold currency? | click and buy | nochex | ||||
why use digitised gold
currency (dgc)? Advantages to traders |
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why use electronic value transfer (evt)? | ||||||
what electronic value transfer systems are available? | ||||||
what digitised gold, and other, currencies are available? | ||||||
value transfer mediums—a listing | ||||||
Selected comparisons of value transfer mediums | ||||||
Glossary | ||||||
Associated documents | ||||||
why this document is revised2024 revision Thanks to the diligence of google.com, this and other pages relating to transactions using digital currencies have been updated. * Since this document was first published in June 2002, the choices available for transferring value on the internet (usually currency or its equivalent) have both grown and evolved. Then, there were few methods of value transfer that were convenient, secure and risk-free. this was one of the reasons why we suggested the use of a gold-backed digital currency. The other reason for our recommendation was, and still is, that the value of gold-backed currency usually devalues less than does the fiat cash currencies held in bank accounts. But now the choice of other relatively reliable value transfer methods on the Internet has widened. This document has been revised to reflect this change. The other major change since 2002 is how the attack of 9/11 has altered financial communications and transactions.
the impact of 9/11 on financial transactionsSince this document was first written, the global war on terror and international criminality has engendered a much greater requirement for authentication of identity and bank account ownership, in order to extinguish the financing of terrorists and criminals. Thus now, if you want to give instructions for transferring currency, whether by more traditional methods such as by fax, or through the internet, you must be willing to provide several, if not all, of the following: your name, land address, land-line telephone number, a permanent email address. The value transfer organisation, whether a bank or and internet-based company, will make a positive check back with you that you are who you say you are, that your email is valid, and so on. This degree of intrusion into privacy must now be expected. Terrorists and criminals are unlikely to give honest information, and the only way to detect them is by checking. However, this does not mean that it is reasonable to have to provide bank or credit card account details before you may even complete signing up with an electronic value transfer organisation. Nor would we be happy with requirements to provide social security or passport numbers on sign-up.
why not just use credit cards?Well, of course you can, online information security/account verification has grown considerable in the last few years. However, we at abelard.org think that there are considerable advantages in using some of the new systems currently being developed for the online world. And anyway, you might like to keep up-to-date with developments. Using credit cards on the internet has evolved. Large trading companies can qualify for merchant status and so provide secure logins, data storage and information handling of your personal details, including your credit card. Look for the closed padlock symbol in a bottom corner of your browser to check whether you are within a secure zone. ( If you use Firefox v1.0 PR, the url address window turns yellow on secure web pages.) Small traders have neither the trade turnover nor the trading history to be able to obtain merchant status with a bank, and so qualify for credit card handling. This is only financially practicable for well-established businesses that can convince a merchant bank of their track record (even including having an earth-bound shop front), and who then pass on their merchant account costs to the buyer. Smaller organisms, therefore, find one or more internet value-transfer handlers who will provide, for a fee, secure credit card handling or some other means for their supporters and customers to transfer value (often, to pay money).
when credit cards cannot be used on-lineHowever, not many small traders are geared up to offer credit cards, and credit cards are not always an available, or possible, means for making a donation or a gift, or transferring funds to a friend or relation, or even to a bank account abroad. Suppose you want to buy that second-hand book you found through AddAll.com? Supposing you want to give a donation to a charity, or a helpful and appreciative gift to those nice yaks at abelard.org? How can you do it? Smaller web-sites generally can not qualify for merchant status and so do not provide credit card processing, the bookstore wants dollars and your bank account’s in euros, and the yaks live in the middle of a cold desert in Outer Mongolia with no postal address. Well, you could obtain a banker’s cheque in dollars – which is equivalent to cash – and that costs dear, takes time and is fraught to send. Or instead, you could buy a new type of currency designed to avoid the problems of foreign exchange and security/account verification, and designed to be used on the Internet – for example, a digitised gold-backed currency, or another form of electronic value transfer. |
Credit card payment downsidesFor the payer You have to trust the vendor, who obtains your credit card details, to be honest. You have to trust routing through the Internet to and from that vendor to be secure .To ensure and guarantee that security, the vendor you deal with has to pay for the privilege. It may well also mean you are using the credit card to pay in a different currency to that in your account. The credit card company, or the bank, will charge you handsomely for this benefit. (You can use the calculator provided at http://www.e-gold.com/unsecure/cc.htm to see an approximation of how much credit card transactions cost vendors and, so, cost you.) For the receiver (e.g. a vendor) From the vendors point of view, they are at the mercy of users of credit cards who do not, in fact, have funds available, or because of cards being used fraudulently. The vendor has to pay for this by returning payments already received (even months earlier). This is called charge-back in the trade. This can happen even when the goods are not returned to the vendor. The vendors also incur high overheads in financing and maintaining their merchant status, which for vendors is the open-sesame to the world of credit-card transactions on the net. The high overheads include depositing a capital sum with the merchant bank as security (lazy assets), and paying various monthly charges over and above the transaction charges. A vendors overheads will also include increased web-site hosting fees to pay for obtaining Secure Socket Layer (SSL) facilities. SSL capability is necessary to ensure a secure environment for the transfer from payer to receiver, over the Internet, of credit card and other details. Other methods like NOCHEX, are either much more limited, or, like PayPal, are even more fraught than credit cards. For details click on the links. Of course, you also always have to remember that transferring value using a credit card is only possible if the recipient is capable of receiving such a value transfer. You cannot give your great-niece, your boy-friend, a yak (currently in another part of the world) any money using your credit card unless, of course, they are fully set up to take credit card payments as a vendor would be. However, value transfer systems such as e-gold and moneybookers are not restricted like this. |
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Why use digitised gold currency (dgc)?Safer and more private – you do not have to provide credit card, bank account or other personal details, nor submit to credit checks to set up an e-gold account, nor send banker’s drafts or cashier’s cheques in foreign currencies when paying for an item abroad. Only you can access your e-gold account (unless you allow others to know your account passphrase). Further, because dgc is generally based in “capital-friendly” jurisdictions with strict privacy laws, your personal and transaction details generally will not be sold, or released for government use. Client data may only released after a court order has been obtained in the country where the account is held. Global– just like gold, dgc is an acceptable form of currency world-wide. Reliable – dgc is backed by precious metals which cannot be debased or devalued. This is not true of fiat national currencies. Easier and more fluent – no multitude of currency conversions needed as long as you trade at different sites on the net, just the conversion between your preferred currency and gold. Currency transaction costs are mostly a confidence trick – in the computer age, real costs are next to non-existent. Faster – once you have a digital currency in your account; transfers to another similar account are practically immediate. Bank wires take 3 or more business days to clear within a country; internationally they can take up to two weeks to clear. Once they have been banked, cheques take a minimum of 3 working days to clear; and there will be a considerable longer delay if you order a banker’s draft in a foreign (to you) currency for you to send abroad. This is done so that the bank can hang onto your money for as long as possible. Then they can make interest on your money by lending it out during the delay. Cheaper – once your account is loaded, the transaction charges are considerable lower – from 0.1% to 2%. Remember, transaction charges are generally paid by the recipient, the cost being handed on to the payer in higher prices. Transaction charges for credit cards or PayPal-type systems range from 2.5% to 4.5%; and credit cards also have further costs for merchants. Currency transaction charges are, potentially, a further cost, if those trading are using different currencies. Bank wires (SWIFT or Western Union) can cost between US$10 to US$70 (that is, UKŁ15 to UKŁ45) depending on your and the receiving banks’ charges (including exchange fees), and on the amount being sent. You may not realise these costs exist because they are often paid by
the trader. However, in those cases you will be paying for them through
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Advantages of digitised gold currencies to traders:
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What electronic value transfer systems are available?As the internet, and its facilities expand, various evts
are being developed. The list below is by no means exhaustive. A number
of apparent evts have been excluded because they fail
to provide background information such as terms and conditions of trade,
and information about who they are are. We at abelard.org have investigated
the following entities, to the extent of trying some out. ezcmoney | webmoney | netpay | solar billing | stormpay | moneybookers | click and buy |
What digitised gold, and other, currencies are available?There are various private (that is, not controlled by a nation state) digital currencies such as e-gold, GoldMoney, E-Bullion, Pecunix. There are also other payment systems not backed, or not backed entirely, by gold. These include Evocash (backed by US$), PayPal (backed by US$), NOCHEX (backed by UKŁ). The listing below has been completed where the details concerned were available and appeared interesting. More entries and data will appear as I have time, or as further information is available. Many of the “independent exchange market makers” listed in the more detailed document on e-gold also do transactions in other value transfer media. | goldmoney | e-bullion | pecunix | evocash | paypal | nochex |
value transfer mediums—a listingThe topics security/account verification and downside often overlap. [Information on site security is being added as found. |
e-goldThe e-gold system launched in 1996 and grew to five million accounts by 2009.
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GoldMoney
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E-Bullion - no longer active
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pecunix - no longer active
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Evocash - no longer active
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EZCMoney - no longer active
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PayPal
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netpay
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solar billing
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stormpay
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moneybookers
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bitpass
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click and buy[Note that the link above is to the UK site. Click on international to reach a menu of sites for twenty-eight countries.]
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click and buy[Note that the link above is to the UK site. Click on international to reach a menu of sites for twenty-eight countries.]
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Further objective information on various online payment services is available here. Note that the payment services listed are mainly US-based, and those outside the US may either be charged more, or may not be eligible to use such a service. |
Associated documents on abelard.orge-gold: a developing example of an independent monetary system |
We are in dispute with Moneybookers, who have arbitrarily taken £129.02 from a transfer from a friend. Therefore, we cannot at present support this service in good faith. A great shame as the system seemed to offer promise. |
disclaimer: abelard.org takes no responsibility for any communications or transactions made with any of the organisations listed below, nor does abelard.org guarantee that the figures and other information given are accurate, complete, or up to date. Nor is this document to be read as any manner of advice or guarantee. Caveat emptor (let the buyer beware). |
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