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on government cartelised medicine

Comments on the extremism of socialist medicine in Canada. This style of medicine amounts to rationing by delay or unavailability, in place of rationing by cash.

Worth a scan.

“These problems are not unique to Canada - they characterize all government-run health care systems.

“Consider the recent British controversy over a cancer patient who tried to get an appointment with a specialist, only to have it canceled - 48 times. More than 1 million Britons must wait for some type of care, with 200,000 in line for longer than six months. In France, the supply of doctors is so limited that during an August 2003 heat wave - when many doctors were on vacation and hospitals were stretched beyond capacity - 15,000 elderly citizens died. Across Europe, state-of-the-art drugs aren't available. And so on.

“Single-payer systems - confronting dirty hospitals, long waiting lists and substandard treatment - are starting to crack, however. Canadian newspapers are filled with stories of people frustrated by long delays for care. Many Canadians, determined to get the care they need, have begun looking not to lotteries - but to markets.

“Dr. Jacques Chaoulli is at the center of this changing health care scene. In the 1990s, he organized a private Quebec practice - patients called him, he mad e house calls and then he directly billed his patients. The local health board cried foul and began fining him. The legal status of private practice in Canada remained murky, but billing patients, rather than the government, was certainly illegal, and so was private insurance.”

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the legacy of bliar and the clown - always talk, always spin, always lies

The Clown swans around in wellies pretending to care about the current UK floods, but pretence is all you’ll ever get from the Clown.

Individuals always pay. In this case, once more to clear up the messes left by socialists.

Far better to learn and do it right the first time.

With a socialist government, it has to be done twice or not done, as is the more likely. The socialist way is to steal ever more taxes, to meddle, to be corrupt and mostly to do nothing effective; then to whine interminably at the natural consequences.

Then look around for someone to blame.

And when local communities try to clear up the mess caused by the incompetence of socialists, to put on wellies and prance around trying to take credit for the local effort,while pretending to ‘care’.

The mess has been allowed to accumulate over more than a decade. The mess has been directly caused by the Clown, by his incompetence, by his lazy mindedness, by his stupidity.

The problems have been recognised, and nothing has been done.

“ "We met Tony Blair in 2000," Roz recalled, "and he personally promised us that there was money there for flood defences."

“It took a while for anything to be done, but eventually new defences were built. What protection did the authorities deliver? A 2ft-high brick wall was built across gardens running down to the river.

“Last week the flood waters "oozed through the bricks like tissue paper", said Russell, and then overwhelmed the wall.

“ "It took six years before anything happened and then little more than six months after they finished building the flood defences they proved
useless. I was absolutely devastated."

“Britain has a long history of floods - and of failing to act on the "lessons learnt".

“After severe flooding in 2000 the government declared the devastation "a wake up call" and John Prescott, then the environment secretary, told parliament: "We must take practical action now."

“Since then there have been 25 reports from parliamentary committees and official bodies on how to reduce risks. Little has been done.” [Quoted from timesonline.co.uk]

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“The GPs’ Workload Survey, the first such study for 15 years, has found that after the introduction of a new contract three years ago, doctors
are working on average about 15% fewer hours. During the same period pay has risen by nearly a quarter.

“The report is likely to generate a backlash among nurses, who the study found are taking up much of the slack.

“Another finding is that almost one-third of GPs, who earn an average of more than £100,000 a year, are working part-time.

“The public is becoming increasingly concerned that GPs have received such large pay increases while many patients still struggle to book advance appointments and are unable to consult a family doctor out of hours.” [Quoted from timesonline.co.uk]

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“SENIOR executives at the Environment Agency face new controversy after it emerged last night that they received five-figure "performance bonuses" shortly before the recent floods hit Britain.

“Baroness Young, the quango’s chief executive, got a bonus of about £24,000 on top of her £163,000 salary. A further eight executives, including the director of water management, shared in the bonus handout last month. The average paid to each executive was equivalent to 10% of their salaries, although Young received 15%.”

“Board minutes also show that the agency’s top executives privately expressed strong concerns last September about the country’s preparedness for serious floods.” [Quoted from timesonline.co.uk]

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“The government's pledge to halt the soaring rate of childhood obesity within three years in fact cannot be achieved until 2050, warns a damning report commissioned by ministers to help them tackle the problem.

“The number of six- to 10-year-olds who become obese will keep rising relentlessly until the late 2040s, with as many as half of all primary school-age boys and one in five girls dangerously overweight by 2050, according to the document.” [Quoted from observer.guardian.co.uk]

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“There are many reasons why this country should have a referendum, but underlying everything is the matter of trust. This is not something politicians in any of the parties can afford to further undermine.

“One of Tony Blair's last acts was to renege on the promise of a referendum and it is almost unbelievable that one of Gordon Brown's first acts has been to do the same. There is still time for him to put this right.” [Quoted from telegraph.co.uk]

The fools have just concentrated on lying and spin, not only ruining the country’s infrastructure, but also undermining the pension system.

The result of that sort of short-sighted behaviour is now all around. Soon enough, the results of the raided pension schemes will surface.

In the meanwhile, the unaware will go on supporting the Clown for short-term imagined ‘benefits’, like their dole payments stolen from others and the future.

The dole payments/bribes are the typical cost of socialism, more long-term destruction, to buy votes now.

The result is less preparedness for the future, and thereby a steadily lowered standard of living for the UK’s children. These children are allowed, and even encouraged, to live in a dream world with no understanding of reality or future.

Brown the Clown and his complicit population are spending their children’s inheritance, destroying the future viability of the country.

This way of living destroys the future. Doing that is vastly more costly in the long run than fixing the problems while it is still possible.

‘A stitch in time save nine’

Now, the UK community will have to pay far more for this profligacy and stupidity than had action been taken long ago, while there were still such options.

It is always the people that have to pay. The country belongs to the people. Do the unaware suppose that the Saudis or the Chinese will perhaps pay for them?

It is very simple, choice - short-term socialism or long-term sense.

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hanson on jihadis and the middle east

“The point of reviewing prior American naivete and cynicism is not to excuse the real mistakes in stabilizing Iraq. Instead, these past blunders remind us that we have had few good choices in dealing with the terrorism, theocracy and authoritarian madness of an oil-rich Middle East. And we have had none after the murder of 3,000 Americans on September 11.”

“After four years of effort in Iraq, Americans may well tire of that cost and bring Gen. Petraeus and the troops home. We can then go back to the shorter-term remedies of the past. Well and good.

“But at least remember what that past policy was: Democratic appeasement of terrorists, interrupted by cynical Republican business with terrorist-sponsoring regimes.

“Then came September 11, and we determined to get tougher than the Democrats by taking out the savage Taliban and Saddam Hussein — and more principled than the Republicans by staying on after our victories to foster something better.

“The jihadists are now fighting a desperate war against the new stick of American military power and carrot of American-inspired political reform. They want us, in defeat, to go back to turning a blind eye to both terrorism and corrupt dictatorships.

“That's the only way they got power in the first place and now desperately count on keeping it.”

Victor Hanson seems to be returning to his confident unapologetic self. I do wish he’d stop getting his black moods.

He is one of the few media writers with a head that is both informed and sane.

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Victor Hanson

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giuliani on energy independence - the auroran sunset.

The Republican Party have their own moonbat wing: those who only care about sex, abortion, sex, queers, more sex, drugs and yet more sex. For months, this moonbat wing have been trying to orchestrate an Anything-But-A-Serious-Candidate campaign. Their current empty-vessel face is Fred Thompson.

Happily, Rudy Giuliani is increasingly making them look ridiculous. There is no way that the moonbat’s vacuous sound-bites can keep up:

“We should have started to move toward energy independence back in the 1970s, when oil prices spiked and there were the long lines at gas stations. Presidents Nixon and Carter talked about energy independence, but not a lot got done. The next President of the United States is going to have to make it a major goal of their administration. Most people will say it's impossible, we've tried before. I'm running for president because I know how to get things done.”

“Just like Brazil is ahead of us in ethanol, France is ahead of us in nuclear power. Eighty percent of the electricity in France comes from nuclear power. Only twenty percent of electricity in America is generated by nuclear power and it's going to go down to fifteen percent in the future if we don't do something about it. We invented the peaceful use of nuclear power, but we've let other countries get ahead of us. There is no reason for that. No one's ever died from nuclear power in the United States. Despite that fact, we haven't licensed a new nuclear power plant in the United States in 30 years.”

“The bottom line is that there is no one answer: Ethanol and bio-fuels can't do it all, conservation can't do it all, coal, nuclear, wind, solar, hybrid vehicles - none of these are silver bullet solutions. But if we increase our use of each one of them to a higher level, we can achieve energy independence in the future while creating a new engine for the American economy.”

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Replacing fossil fuels - first document of energy briefing documents

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from our very special correspondent - the clown is to spend billions on id cards, cameras and more dole

Now, that spending’ll solve the real problems, says the Clown during a planning meeting amongst his highly important people.

With ID cards, we will be able to trace those missing in floods.

With cameras, which will now be waterproofed, we can watch the water flowing and rising.

With the extra dole, our base vote will be able to buy new subsidised water wings.

We have even decided to give back a fifth of a billion pounds to the flood defences budget in 2012.

This socialist Labour government is doing things for their great British public.

“We have instructed our propaganda media to refer repeatedly to ‘the blame game’,” said the minister, “because we are not really to blame. We couldn’t have known it was going to rain; and anyway we wanted to spend on the Dome. We are allocating another £10 billion to the British Broadcasting leftist propaganda job creation scheme, in order to get the message out.

“The Home Secretary has ordered a new law be propagated, that nobody is allowed to complain.”

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government, god, and flooding - as the jet stream moves north, the clown ‘plans’ to build still more on the flood plains

The UK has a socialist government. That means inevitable short-termism allied to constant, inefficient meddling. The meddler in chief, Gordon Brown, has now captured the party machine.

His meddling government wishes to ‘plan’ all ‘development’, but it is keeping all useful data centralised and secret. Further, the British government is refusing to educate the public in any useful skills. Why doesn’t Jo Sixpack even know what a flood plain is? It is hardly rocket science at that level.

Meanwhile, the filthy fossil fuel industry, and other deniers, will tell you it is not happening.

“It found that the volume of water melting into the sea each year from glaciers and ice caps was 100 cubic miles (417 cubic km), which is almost equal in size to the amount of water in Lake Erie. However, this volume of meltwater is increasing by a further three cubic miles each year because of an acceleration in the rate at which ice caps and glaciers are melting, said Professor Mark Meier, of the University of Colorado. "One reason for doing this study is the widely held view that the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets will be the principal cause of sea-level rise," Professor Meier said. "But we show that it is the glaciers and ice caps, not the two large ice sheets, that will be the big players in the sea rise for at least the next few generations."

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) estimated that melting ice caps and glaciers will add about three inches (7.6cm) to sea levels this century. But the latest assessment, published in the journal Science, suggests they are more likely to add between four inches and 9.5 inches to global sea levels.

“This does not include the rise in sea levels caused by the thermal expansion of water, which could potentially double this figure. A 12-inch rise in sea level can typically cause a shoreline to retreat by 100ft (30m) or more. About 100 million people now live in areas within three feet of sea level.”

“Scientists at the British Antarctic Survey have found that the movement of about 300 glaciers in the Antarctic Peninsular had accelerated towards the sea. The scientists believe they were disintegrating at a faster rate than before.” [Quoted from independent.co.uk]

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A fairly technical indication of both the complexities of measurement and the scale of current changes:

“Their study - based on tide gauge, GPS, gravity, and satellite measurements - shows a general pattern of subsidence of 1-2mm a year.

“With waters rising in the region by about 1mm a year, the combined effect is a 2-3mm a year rise in sea level with respect to the land.”

“ London itself will rock by 10mm, twice a day, with loading from ocean tides. The seasons also alternately load and unload the ground, making the Earth's crust "breathe" up and down over a longer period.”

“ "Within the GPS data you have to model loading effects and also account for atmospheric effects on the GPS signals. We have done this and have not only reduced the errors, but we now understand better what's in those error bars," explained Dr Norman Teferle from the University of Nottingham.” [Quoted from bbc.co.uk]

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Perhaps Brown the clown [the UK’s new prime minister] need lessons from Canute.

Britain needs a complete replanning for global warming, with expected sea level rises and increasing weather disturbances.

Meanwhile, old.new.old trots out dim ‘ministers’ claiming it is really god’s fault. Perhaps they are learning muslim fatalism?

Weather science has been warning of these problems for decades. This is not an act of god. It is terrifying complacency, corruption and lack of even basic planning, as the filthy fossil fuel crunch closes in and the weather changes.

Housing stock, both in Britain and elsewhere, should be built to far higher standards, not built for the short term by lazy socialists and their jerry-building housing contractors. The British government should not be not wasting tax money in preferential treatment to fund their dole clients.

Labour’s socialist world will have to build on stilts next.
The stumbling of Brown the clown would also look more appropriate as nonsense-on-stilts.

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the clown’s ‘open’ government - ads criticising the clown forced out

Doubtless a co-coordinated attack from Victoria Street [Labour Party HQ].

“The airline [Ryanair] claimed that the government would make more than £1bn from the air passenger duty increase and that Treasury had no plans to invest any of the revenue into environmental programmes.”

“ The Advertising Standards Authority agreed with Ryanair's defence ofthe £1bn figure based on HM Revenue and Customs figures.

“However, it ruled against the airline on two other claims. It ruled that Ryanair was misleading over the 2% claim because it failed to be clear about the basis of its claim, even though there was no agreed method for attributing international flight emissions to specific countries

“The ad watchdog upheld the complaint against the claim that "not a penny spent on the environment" because the government had said that some revenues would go toward "environmental measures and in increasing public transport". "

Ryanair ad.       Ryanair ad 2

“The ASA says that Ryanair has been told not to repeat its claims on carbon emissions and the government's lack of redistribution of air passenger duty on climate-change initiatives.” [Quoted from adfero.co.uk]

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iraq progress map update - the auroran sunset

Iraq progress map. Image: US Department of Defense

Note that the big grey area on the left (Anbar) has in reality, if not officially, been largely turned over to the locals. This follows the highly successful turning of the tribes against Al-Qaeda and subsequent clearance operations - the model which is now being used in the rest of Iraq to similar effect.

Only an idiot, or someone with a vested interest in Western failure, would suggest that we are losing in Iraq. Now why is it that so many "Democrats" are trying to push an artificial failure? Are they just stupid, or do their interests lie with our enemies?

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pace says we’re winning, ban ki-moon says think before you withdraw - the auroran sunset

More on the continuing Iraq/Bush success story.

From General Pace (outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff):

“[The security improvements] will [inform my thinking] because what I'm hearing now is a sea change that is taking place in many places here," he replied. "It's no longer a matter of pushing al-Qaida out of Ramadi, for example, but rather - now that they have been pushed out - helping the local police and the local army have a chance to get their feet on the ground and set up their systems.”

From UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon:

“But I'd like to tell you that a great caution should be taken for the sake of the Iraqi people," he said at a U.N. press conference. "Any abrupt withdrawal or decision may lead to a further deterioration.”

It looks like George Bush has got yet another fool/crook (Annan) replaced with a someone more reasonable.

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old.new.old fiddles while the oil runs out

“Oil ruled the 20th century; the shortage of oil will rule the 21st. There is now no doubt about the rising trend in oil prices. In 2003 a barrel of Brent crude sold for $29; in 2004 it rose to $38; in 2005 it rose to $54.50; in 2006 it rose to $65. Last Friday the price closed at $77.50. Some dealers expect it to test the $80 level quite shortly.

“Last Tuesday the lead story in The Financial Times was the latest report from the International Energy Agency. The FT quoted the IEA as saying: "Oil looks extremely tight in five years’ time," and that there are "prospects of even tighter natural gas markets at the turn of the decade". For an international agency, that is inflammatory language. This steep rise in the oil price over a four-year period has been caused by demand rising at more than 2 per cent a year, while supplies had risen more slowly, by a healthy 4.1 per cent in 2004, but by only 1.25 per cent in 2005 and 0.5 per cent in 2006.

“This has revived the "oil peak" debate among oil analysts. Some analysts believe that the world will never again be able to pump as much oil as we are pumping at present.

“Peter Warburton’s excellent weekly risk analysis has pointed out that 27 of the 51 oil-producing nations listed in BP’s Statistical Review of World Energy reported output declines in 2006. One projection of world crude oil production actually forecasts a 10 per cent reduction in total world output between 2005 and 2015. That would be a revolution.”

Full IEA 80-page .pdf report. It is heavy going, but is well illustrated with charts.

Meanwhile, the UK government runs scared. Britain is behind in conservation. The North Sea oil is running down, and the politicians are scared mindless of doing what they must - building UK nuclear power.

Britain runs down while Mandlebrot [Peter Mandelson], and Pillock [Neil Kinnock], and now [Tony] Bliar look to the main chance.

What now Mister Cowardly Clown?

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villepin likely to face criminal trial - isn’t that a shame?

and trying to thwart the USA intent to remove the mad murderer of Baghdad.

“Police searched the home of Dominique de Villepin, the former French Prime Minister, yesterday as judges appeared close to charging him with conspiring to implicate Nicolas Sarkozy, now the President, in a corruption scandal. Criminal charges are thought likely after examining judges unearthed new evidence that appears to put Mr de Villepin, 56, close to the heart of the so-called Clearstream affair.

“The scandal, under investigation since 2005, involves forged bank records that suggested falsely that Mr Sarkozy and other senior figures had received big bribes in the sale of French warships to Taiwan.

“Mr de Villepin was serving as Foreign and then Interior Minister and Mr Sarkozy, his rival for the future presidency, was Finance, then Interior Minister.

“The affair poisoned the already strained relations between Mr de Villepin, the protégé of Mr Chirac, and the President’s mutinous subordinate, who was intent on succeeding him.”

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fossil media on the other side - the auroran sunset

AP and other fossil media outlets write about ‘massacres’ when they are false enemy propaganda designed to sap the will of the Coalition of the Willing.

AP and other fossil media outlets refuse to write about real massacres carried out by their friends in Al Qaeda.

We have treason and sedition laws on the books. Why are they not enforced?

“This claimed massacre never happened, and was formally repudiated by the U.S. military on Saturday, June 30, who ascribed the claims to insurgent propaganda. To date, the Associated Press has refused to print a retraction or a correction for this false story, just as it has failed to print a retraction for previous false beheading stories.

“At the same time, the Associated Press has refused to run the story of a verified massacre in Iraq discovered on June 29 and supported by named sources, eyewitness statements, and photographic evidence provided by noted independent journalist Michael Yon in his dispatch, Bless the Beasts and Children.”

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threat levels

This is a useful article. However, the throwaway comment on Churchill is unsourced and unsupported, and the real level of the threat remains unenumerated.

“One can see those lessons being applied today. The security services have assiduously avoided a general clampdown on Muslim groups. Information from the public has been encouraged, but treated with caution. There have been serious mistakes, such as Forest Gate, but there is clearly a determined effort to avoid over- reaction: official pronouncements on the threat of Islamic extremism have been deliberately nuanced, and carefully measured.

“The response to home-grown British terror suggests that the security services are conscious of history, aware that the enemy within can only be fought with care, realism and reliable intelligence, not with propaganda or by feeding public paranoia. This goes some way to explaining why the anti-Muslim backlash has not happened.”

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risk of great depression after ‘credit spree’ says bis - reality not theory

[BIS - Bank for International Settlements]

The following is my reponse to a correspondent who had taken this waffly article seriously.

Of course ‘downturns’ are ‘possible’. There’ll be a downturn if an asteroid hits Earth.

Nothing much in the future is “foreseeable”. If you want to “foresee” the future, you may as well examine the entrails of a cockerel ritually slaughtered at dawn. Believing that you can foresee the future is a form of arrogant delusion.

And what are people to do instead, if they can decline to borrow or spend? Stuff their money in a shoe?

Supposing some people did not buy things. Will a refusal to buy ties bring down the world clothing industry? Why would it?

Keynes held that there was no natural rate of employment/unemployment. His advice was for government to run projects to soak up ‘unemployment’. France has approximately 25% of the population ‘employed’ by government. Britain had about 13% when last I looked. [See also citizen’s wage.]

Prior to Keynes was laissez-faire - that is, the market will correct itself. It is totally in error to imagine Keynes was a socialist. He was anything but. This is just another area where socialists have attempted to re-write history.

Socialist governments have attempted to target unemployment by generating inflation. And this idiocy is starting again with a ‘democrat’ congress.

“So far, though, Mr. Bernanke has been slow to pick up on the new tone in Congress. In a May 17 speech, the chairman said the Fed is "authorized" to write rules against abuses in lending.

“That brought a rebuke from Mr. Dodd: "The chairman misspoke. The law requires the Federal Reserve to write rules to protect home borrowers."

“Fed officials say they are trying to find the right long-term approach that will preserve credit for needy borrowers. That doesn't satisfy lawmakers.” [Quoted from theglobeandmail.com]

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“If the Treasury were to fill old bottles with banknotes, bury them at suitable depths in disused coalmines which are then filled up to the surface with town rubbish, and leave it to private enterprise on well-tried principles of laissez-faire to dig the notes up again (the right to do so being obtained, of course, by tendering for leases of the note-bearing territory) there need be no more unemployment and, with the help of the repercussions, the real income of the community, and its capital wealth also, would probably become a good deal greater than it actually is. It would, indeed, be more sensible to build houses and the like; but as there are political and practical difficulties in the way of this, the above would be better than nothing.”
General Theory (1936) bk. 3, ch. 10

Keynes however (correctly) hated inflation:

“Lenin was right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose.”
Economic Consequences of the Peace (1919) ch. 6.

Keynes broke the nonsense of classical economics. The bullshit academies and the leftist media are still engorged with the non-sense.

The ‘theory’ of depressions comes from that dismal idiocy. Serious economics is not about pretty graphs.

You are being taught seriously deranged ‘logic’ in the establishment, in the ‘universities’ it often leads to dangerously foolish actions. Keynes understood this.

“I evidently knew more about economics than my examiners.”
Explaining why he performed badly in the Civil Service examinations, in Sir Roy Harrod Life of John Maynard Keynes (1951) ch. 3.

The problem is not that you don’t know sommat. The problem is that you know things that ain’t so.

The job of government is not to ‘forecast’ the future. It is to deal with present realities. The great depression in the 1930s ceased once governments grasped this fact.

Keynes was one of the very great minds of the twentieth century. The fact that he has been followed by a cartload of foolish posturing monkeys is not the fault or responsibility of Keynes.

The USA’s Fed is running sound money. The UK’s Clown is doing anything but.

Alan Greenspan is one of the great minds of banking. Greenspan understands Keynes and he understands money. So did Keynes understand both money and reality.

It is foolish to confuse the real world with ‘theories’ from lightweights and assorted dolts.

So we should first concentrate on the real world, not damned ‘theories’.

I repeat, how exactly might this alleged ‘crash’ manifest itself and play out? Forget the damned theories and the dopey scribblers in the fossil media, forget Mystic Meg. It is necessary to first put feet on the ground and then work it through.

So if you manage to put forward scenarios suggesting why there should be a ‘crash’, then I will tell you what Keynes would advise or Greenspan would do - well, approximately.

The real world is complicated. It depends on the individual acts of billions. It doesn’t depend on ‘theories’.

Keynes and Greenspan were/are great men because they concentrated on and understood the real world.

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