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on ‘disproportionate response’ - give peace a chance!

It will be interesting to note how the mild-mannered British citizens respond when Islamic communities in England start sending rockets to London.

Or even suicide bombers.

Soon enough, the mis-understood Islamics in Iran will have rockets capable of hitting London, if the mild-mannered have their way.

I don’t see any reason why the citizens of one of the UK’s Islamic new towns should not be able to freely import rockets in order to express their ‘feelings’ and objectives.

Why shouldn’t those who ‘feel aggrieved’ kidnap a policemen or 6? Why shouldn’t they kill a few people in Holland if they are say things islamics don’t like.

Any person suggesting the police or army should go in and attack the down trodden, will immediately be met by acres of waffle in the fossil media giving their ‘point of view’ and showing those shot in police raids.

It is unreasonable for Israelis to shoot back after only a few years of attacks. They should give peace a chance as they have, with slight hiccups, over several decades. It is obvious Hezbollox will respond with peace and love.

Give peace a chance, and another chance, and another chance....

So what the rockets keep getting bigger and more numerous.

Firing back is illegal, or it should be, because I say so and I know better. I read the fossil media and even know how to switch on Bliar’s broadcasting cartel.

Just think of the children.
Sorry, the Islamic children. Jewish people don’t matter, nor do those in Bali or Madrid or London or New York.

The Jews are taking over the world, they really are. The soft-headed conspiracy theorists keep saying so, so it must be true.

Nearly a billion Islamics are oppressed by the Jooooozzzz. It’s obvious. Rupert Murdoch is a Jew. You can tell by his name.

All over the shop, Islamists are killing other Islamists. It’s obvious they are upset about sommat. It must be the fault of the West and the Jews.

I don’t see why the Neoconzionazis complain. The jihadi/socialist killers are obviously popular, at least according to the fossil media and that’s what matters.

They are popular with the discommoded Sunnis in Iraq who apparently say it’s OK to kill coalition troops - 88%.

Overall:
OK to kill coalition troops - 47%
OK to kill Iraqi security forces - 7%
OK to kill civilians - 1%

Obviously, This is solvable this simply by giving Iraq back to the Sunnis and selling them rocket and nuclear technology. Or if they don’t want to pay, giving it to them for free.

A substantial percentage of the Islam community in the UK say killing the locals is OK.

It’s obvious they should be encouraged to build more mosques and given more subsidised houses and dole, and freely import ever more modern weapons.

Then, maybe, they’ll ‘feel’ less negative to their oppressive hosts.

A softly softly approach is bound to give peace a chance.

You don’t make peace by stopping idiots attacking you.

You don’t stop terrorists by killing them. You stop terrorists by being nice to them and doing what they tell you to do.

Bush and Bliar and Howard obviously should be shot. If the Jihadis want bombs, give them bombs. It is their perfect right.

Give peace a chance. We want a cease fire. How else can we move the rocket launchers around? How else can we get resupplied from peace-loving Iran and Syria? Answer me that if you can!

If a policeman is captured, play the game according to our reasonable rules. And let all the Jihadi criminals go free to their homes and families and rocket launchers.

You know it makes nonsense.

Al-Joe for PM; Abdul Jim for culture minister; Mohammed Henry for Chancellor of the Exchequer. Let’s get this country moving again. Introduce decent Sharia law and cover up your hussies.

Give peace a chance. Give idiocy its just priority. All you have to do for peace is do follow our instructions. What could possibly be easier?

After all, we all want peace! And all we want is peace. Think of the children.

And now from an article giving some Muslim attitudes in Britain:

“The hostile mentality they portray is especially alarming when one recalls that London's police commissioner, Sir Ian Blair, recently said that the threat of terrorism "is very grim" because there are, "as we speak, people in the UK planning further atrocities."

“The 7/7 attacks: About one in 20 British Muslims has voiced overt sympathy for the bombings a year ago. Separate polls find that between 2 and 6 percent endorse the attacks, 4 percent refuse to condemn them, 5 percent believe the Koran justifies them, and 6 percent say that the suicide bombers were acting in accord with the principles of Islam.

“Without endorsing the attacks, far larger numbers show an understanding for them: 13 percent say the 7/7 suicide bombers should be regarded as "martyrs," 16 percent say the attacks were wrong but the cause was right, while 20 percent feel sympathy for the "feelings and motives" of the attackers. A whopping 56 percent can see "why some people behave in that way."

“Violence acceptable? Before 7/7, 11 percent found it acceptable "for religious or political groups to use violence for political ends" but only 4 percent after the attacks, showing a rare improvement. Two polls turned up the identical figure of 7 percent of Muslims endorsing suicide attacks on civilians in the United Kingdom. (Among 18 to 24-year-olds, those most likely to carry out such an attack, the number jumps to 12 percent.)

“How about suicide attacks on the military in Britain? Positive answers came in at 16 and 21 percent (with 28 percent of 18 to 24-year-olds). Are the respondents themselves willing to embrace violence to bring an end to "decadent and immoral" Western society? One percent, or some 16,000 persons, answered in the affirmative.”

the web address for the article above is
http://www.abelard.org/news/politics0607.php#disproportionate_response_310706

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the bush-bliar news conference was of considerable importance [28-07-06]

“We agree that the Iranian regime will not be allowed to develop or acquire nuclear weapons.”
George Bush

“But nothing will work unless, as well as an end to the immediate crisis, we put in place the measures necessary to prevent it occurring again.”
Tony Blair

There is a lot more content, and it is right on the ball.

the web address for the article above is
http://www.abelard.org/news/politics0607.php#bush_bliar_280706

iran and syria overplay their hand - background

“Nasrallah's brazen deed was, in the man's calculus, an invitation to an exchange of prisoners. Now, the man who triggered this crisis stands exposed as an Iranian proxy, doing the bidding of Tehran and Damascus. He had confidently asserted that "sources" in Israel had confided to Hezbollah that Israel's government would not strike into Lebanon because Hezbollah held northern Israel hostage to its rockets, and that the demand within Israel for an exchange of prisoners would force Ehud Olmert's hand. The time of the "warrior class" in Israel had passed, Nasrallah believed, and this new Israeli government, without decorated soldiers and former generals, was likely to capitulate. Now this knowingness has been exposed for the delusion it was.”
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“This had little to do with the Shiism of Hezbollah, but with the Saudi dread of instability. The Saudis are heavily invested in the reconstruction and stability of Lebanon: This had been the achievement of Rafik Hariri, and it was to continue under Fouad Siniora, the incumbent prime minister, a decent Sunni technocrat who came into politics as an aide of Hariri. Untold thousands of Saudis have their summer homes and vacations in Lebanon. A memory of old Beirut in its days of glitter tugs at older Saudis. On less sentimental grounds, the Saudis have been keen to shore up Lebanon's mercantile Sunni population against the demographic and political weight of the Shiites. Hezbollah's unilateral decision to push Lebanon over the brink was anathema to the Saudi way. “In due course, the Saudis were joined by the Jordanians and the Egyptians [...].”
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“No one can say with confidence how this crisis will play out. There are limits on what Israel can do in Lebanon. The Israelis will not be pulled deeper into Lebanon and its villages and urban alleyways, and Israel can't be expected to disarm Hezbollah or to find its missiles in Lebanon's crannies. Finding the political way out, and working out a decent security arrangement on the border, will require a serious international effort and active American diplomacy. International peacekeeping forces have had a bad name, and they often deserve it. But they may be inevitable on Lebanon's border with Israel; they may be needed to buy time for the Lebanese government to come into full sovereignty over its soil.

“The Europeans claim a special affinity for Lebanon, a country of the eastern Mediterranean. This is their chance to help redeem that land, and to come to its rescue by strengthening its national army and its bureaucratic institutions. We have already seen order's enemies play their hand. We now await the forces of order and rescue, and by all appearances a long, big struggle is playing out in Lebanon. This is from the Book of Habakkuk: "The violence done to Lebanon shall overwhelm you" (2:17). The struggles of the mighty forces of the region yet again converge on a small country that has seen more than its share of history's heartbreak and history's follies.”

And more detail.

Lead via ariadne.

the web address for the article above is
http://www.abelard.org/news/politics0607.php#iran_syria_250706

middle east analysis by hanson and frank j  - the auroran sunset

First hanson discusses the hypocricy of the middle-east’s worst criminal gangs:

“Or why, after boasting of the new targets that his lethal missiles will hit in Israel, does Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah ("We are ready for it - war, war on every level") now harp that Israel is hitting too deep into Lebanon? Don't enemies expect one another to hit deep? Isn't that what "war on every level" is all about?”

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“Why do not Iran and Syria - or for that matter other Arab states - now attack Israel to join the terrorists that they have armed? Surely the two-front attack by Hamas and Hezbollah could be helped by at least one conventional Islamic military. After promising us all year that he was going to "wipe out" Israel, is not this the moment for Mr.Ahmadinejad to strike?”

“And why - when Hezbollah rockets are hidden in apartment basements, then brought out of private homes to target civilians in Israel - would terrorists who exist to murder noncombatants complain that some "civilians" have been hit? Would not they prefer to lionize "martyrs" who helped to store their arms?”

“We can answer these absurdities by summing up the war very briefly. Iran and Syria feel the noose tightening around their necks - especially the ring of democracies in nearby Afghanistan, Iraq, Turkey, and perhaps Lebanon. Even the toothless U.N. finally is forced to focus on Iranian nukes and Syrian murder plots. And neither Syria can overturn the Lebanese government nor can Iran the Iraqi democracy. Instead, both are afraid that their rhetoric may soon earn some hard bombing, since their "air defenses" are hardly defenses at all.”

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“So after 9/11, the London bombings, the Madrid murders, the French riots, the Beslan atrocities, the killings in India, the Danish cartoon debacle, Theo Van Gogh, and the daily arrests of Islamic terrorists trying to blow up, behead, or shoot innocent people around the globe, the world is sick of the jihadist ilk. And for all the efforts of the BBC, Reuters, Western academics, and the horde of appeasers and apologists that usually bail these terrorist killers out when their rhetoric finally outruns their muscle, this time they can't.”

Next frank j  discusses the hypocricy of the western fossil media and socialist whiners:

“Now as Israel further continues the cycle of violence by once again responding to murder and kidnapping, peace in the Middle East seems ever more hopeless. If we ever want to have peace in the Middle East, we need even more people to do the brave thing and condemn Israel. Only that will send a clear message that violence - when committed by Jews - is wrong.”

“Israel has had a long history of responding to attacks on its people, and what do they have to show for it? More attacks! Israel seems to have missed an essential fact about the area in which they live: It's full of Muslims. Grass is green, the sky is blue, and Muslims live in corrupt dictatorships and murder people. That's just how things are. Does Israel really think they can solve that with violent attacks against the violent? That's madness. Israel should have known that, by their location, they were essentially agreeing to get murdered every so often; anything else is cultural ignorance.”

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“Israel is at war and surrounded by millions of people who want them dead, so what they need most right now is our criticism. Let's remind them who were the ones who decided to be Jews where they are not wanted so maybe they'll realize their folly and stop the aggression. Then we will finally have peace in the Middle East (as long as you don't count Muslim violence - but who does?).”

the web address for the article above is
http://www.abelard.org/news/politics0607.php#middle_east_analysis_220706

israel, lebanon and eric frank russell

Israel chose to withdraw from Lebanon in 2000, though many of Israel’s detractors prefer to believe that Israel was driven out.

There a neat story by Eric Frank Russell:

“Scout-Officer John Leeming knew from the very start that his reconnaissance mission deep into enemy territory was likely to be a one-way trip. But when his ship finally let him down and he crashed on a far-distant planet and was captured by tough and ruthless aliens, he knew he wasn't just going to give up. Armed with a piece of wood, a coil of copper-like wire, his quick wits and an imaginary ally called Eustace, Leeming embarked on a brilliant campaign to gain his freedom - and coincidentally undermined the entire alien war effort!”

Scout-Officer John Leeming gets the aliens to believe he has an vengeful, invisible independent part of himself called a willy! He has them believe that humans come in two inextricably twinned parts, the willy protecting the corporal part of his being. If the aliens discommode Leeming, the willy is likely to strike out at anyone it blames for annoying its twin part, and Leeming can do absolutely nothing to control his willy. Anything unpleasant that happens to the aliens, he works to convince the aliens is due to revenge taken by his willy.

On might expect Israel’s detractors to fall for such baloney, but the West should be far beyond taking such superstitions seriously.

Next they’ll believe politicians can improve economies by interfering in industry!

What will determine the Middle East is the degree of sanity and determination of the West - nothing else at all.

related material
And then there were none by Eric Frank Russell

the web address for the article above is
http://www.abelard.org/news/politics0607.php#israel_efr_180706

it has long been obvious that the bliar administration is dirty to an unacceptable degree

Now all the corpses they have been hurriedly burying for years are starting to surface, right from the beginning scandal of the Ecclestone ‘donation’ and the long tedious road since. It has been pretty obvious that it would all catch up on this vulgar administration eventually: the politically motivated pursuit of faces from the major administration, the lies piled upon lies piled upon lies.

All Tony Bliar ever had was incredible cheek and hiding behind the cardboard cutout of his pretended, but obviously false, image. The moment his clothes could be shown definitively to be manufactured from cardboard, the whole house of cards was bound to collapse in disarray.

At last, that fine day is upon us.

This is the nature of socialism. Now we can watch every which faction in the party attempting to distance themselves from the very machine that got their snouts into the trough, as they rode the corrupt and incompetent bus while it mowed down UK freedoms and steadily undermined the economy.

Each one will stand there and lie blatantly that they weren’t really on the bus. You only imagined you saw their faces through the windows running their venal scams, while the society steadily eroded outside, and while they concentrated uncaringly upon power and money.

Such is the inevitable outcome of the utter contempt for the rule of law so characteristic of this administration.

Rawnsley article worth a scan.

“Lord Levy is letting it be known that he is not going to be the scapegoat for this affair. He's told friends that it wasn't his idea to bankroll the Labour party's last election campaign using undisclosed loans worth nearly £14 million. On the account that Lord Levy appears to have been giving to his friends to supply to the media, it was the Prime Minister who over-ruled him by insisting that Labour should raise its moolah that way.”

Michael Portillo on the depth of corruption in the Labour Party

“Any of the four might gossip, since people generally like others to know how generous they have been. The arrangement required keeping the Labour party in the dark and when Jack Dromey, the party treasurer, found out, he exploded. Even though a loan did not have to be included in a party's annual return, there were other disclosure issues. The loan contracts stipulated that Labour's benefactors did not have to disclose the loans to anyone, which includes the Lords Appointments Commission. Ian McCartney, then chairman of the Labour party, had to certify in writing that each candidate had no financial links with the party, which he believed. So the whole thing went beyond nods and winks that could subsequently be denied. It involved signatures that no amount of spin could erase.”

The rest of this second article is of little depth or interest, in my opinion.

P.S.- political advice

You would be well advised not to take your eyes of the sleaze in the Labour administration by being distracted by the Israeli police action.

the web address for the article above is
http://www.abelard.org/news/politics0607.php#cash_for_titles_150706

politicians are not above the law - the auroran sunset

On the 20th and 21st of May 2006, the Department of Justice executed a search warrant on the Congressional offices of Representative William Jefferson (Democrat, Louisiana). The FBI claim to have video of Jefferson taking a $100,000 bribe from a government informant. They also claim to have found $90,000 of that bribe - matching serial numbers - in the Jefferson’s home freezer.

Despite what seems a clear-cut case of corruption, the immediate reaction of many Congressmen - both Democrat and Republican - was to claim that the search was unconstitutional. Their claims were patently absurd. The constitution does provide protection for Congressmen’s speech and legislative actions:

“The Senators and Representatives [...] shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.”
[U.S. Constitution Article 1, Section 6, Clause 1; known as the Speech or Debate Clause]

However, as that clause makes very clear, this protection does not put Senators or Representatives above the law; nor is a search either arrest or questioning; nor can bribe-taking be seriously regarded as part of even the broadest interpretation of a Congressman’s duties. Bribery is of course a felony.

Jefferson took the Justice Department to court. Today, Chief U.S. District Judge Thomas F. Hogan issued the obvious judgement [28 page PDF]: the search was not illegal. Judge Hogan’s conclusions show a fully justified hint of sarcasm:

“Congressman Jefferson's interpretation of the Speech or Debate privilege would have the effect of converting every congressional office into a taxpayer-subsidized sanctuary for crime. Such a result is not supported by the Constitution or judicial precedent and will not be adopted here.”

Various Representatives provided Jefferson [not the real one!] with an “amicus curiae” [a legal brief submitted by ‘friends’]. Included in this ‘outraged’ and outrageous bipartisan support for non-application of criminal law to Congressmen were Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert (Republican, Illinois), House Majority Leader John Boehner (Republican, Ohio) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California).

Not only does the constitution not give protection to bribe-taking, but it specifically forbids the creation of “titles of nobility”:

“No Titles of Nobility shall be granted by the United States”
[U.S. Constitution Article 1, Section 9]

Titles of Nobility were common in Europe at the time of the American Revolution. They generally in some sense or other put the holder above the law. From America’s very beginnings, Americans have displayed widespread contempt for such European slavishness - continued in places to this day, c.f. the ‘Queen’ of England’s ‘legal’ tax evasion - and a determination not to allow such ‘regal’ airs in the land of the free. Every American is educated in this, hence the following cartoon depicting Hastert and Pelosi:

Jefferson and his “amicus”(es) are expected to appeal all the way to the Supreme Court.

the web address for the article above is
http://www.abelard.org/news/politics0607.php#congress_law_110706

“tehran is obviously making a bomb”, iaea inspection team leader - the auroran sunset

El-Baradei allegedly trying to cover up for iran, firing said team-leader on Iranian orders:

“"Wherever we went, whatever we did, they always followed us, monitoring us with video cameras and capturing every single one of our conversations. Never letting us out of their sight for a second, watching everything over our shoulder."

“"How the devil were we supposed to rationally do our work" comments the 64-year old Belgian.

“Chris Charlier, who heads a team of 15 Atomic Energy inspectors of the IAEA have been inspecting the Islamic Republic's nuclear program since 2003. [...]”

“Inside countless memos and work reports, Charlier notes the results of inspections and lists the tricks and deceptions of the Tehran rulers, which leads the inspectors in Vienna to a single conclusion: based on pieces of the puzzle gathered by Charlier, "Tehran is obviously making a bomb." [...]”

“On his last visit to Tehran, Mohammad El-Baradei promised Ali Larijani, the most trusted person of Iran's Supreme Ruler Ali Khamenei not only to remove Charlier, the team leader of the inspectors, but also to no longer allow him access to any documents in Vienna, relative to Iran's nuclear program.

“"As of April, I may no longer travel to Iran. As of April, I no longer have access to the Iranian Nuclear file," says Chris Charlier.

“Mohammad El-Baradei's capitulation to Iran has made huge waves at the IAEA in Vienna. The other inspectors are up in arms. "This totally bankrupts our work" says a Viennese inspector. "Mohammad El-Baradei folds vis-a-vis the Mullahs and leaves us standing in the rain. Why don't we just let Iran be in charge of inspecting their own nuclear program?"”

And much much more...

The link is to a translation of a Die Welt article. The article also alleges that the IAEA tried to stop their publication.

the web address for the article above is
http://www.abelard.org/news/politics0607.php#iran_nukes_090706

chavs and jihadis: violent citizens and ‘religious’ criminals bent on destroying civilisation

There is a growing problem in modern society where there are cults like socialism and islamism who have a defined and determined intention of using persistent lying and violence as a policy of establishing dictatorial control over societies.

You have to imprison, and worse, those who would destroy civilisation.
To do that requires the cooperative force to suppress such parasites and destroyers.

Without a police force and army, the slobs and chavs run wild. The soft left, pseudo-academic romantic may hide from these realities in suburbia, but those who have real responsibility cannot afford such escapism.

As Clint Black put it recently:

“You can wave your signs in protest
against America taking stands.
The stands America's taken
are the reason that you can.”

I hear much bleating about the captured Jihadis now languishing in at Guantanamo Bay (you know, the ones that put on an average of six pounds weight due to their terrible conditions).

Almost every prisoner will claim ‘innocence’ and/or ‘victimhood’. It is part of human venality. But note, I am very concerned that prison is humane and not to be regarded as ‘punishment’. Prison is merely a means of keeping probable nuisances off the streets, especially those determined to kill for allah and other loons.

I have very little doubt that a good percentage of ‘criminals’ in prisons around the world are ‘innocent’, at the very least for what they were allegedly imprisoned. Human institutions are far from ‘perfect’.

Society's job is to make those institutions better, but it will never make them ‘perfect’.

As Winston Churchill said in 1910:

“The mood and temper of the public in regard to the treatment of crime and criminals is one of the most unfailing tests of the civilisation of any country” [p. 214, Churchill: a Life by Martin Gilbert, 0749398264]

Nearly 100 years later, it is very bad news that recent administrations in the UK have forgotten, or never learned, this vital lesson.

Jihadis are neither a geographic entity, nor do they come under criminal law. They are not part of any religion, they are criminal gangs masquerading as evangelicals and ‘martyrs’. They are a rather large mafia who fight over territory, power and wealth under the false disguise/flag of ‘religion’. It is a way of bypassing the consciences of the young and reinforcing the loyalty of the naïve young to the gang masters.

As well as the drunken, ill-behaved chavs on Saturday nights, there is now this nihilist cult from the dark ages with the obvious intention to lay their hands on nuclear bombs.

Jihadis dishonestly demand protection from questioning under the cover of being a “religion”. They take advantage of the West’s tolerance, continued submission to political correctness and lack of clear overt disapproval. Their various advocates go on about fair trials and the possibility of ‘innocence’. I do not recall trials being a high priority for prisoners of war, the prime objective being to keep them out of the battle, and to stop them firing their guns, placing their bombs or even exploding themselves.

Then I hear complaints from the same mob of apologists that we do not know for how long this war is going on, so the poor fellows may be there for a very long time. How awful. This war will, of course, go on until these criminals, and lunatics, and criminal lunatics decide to call it a day, and stop searching for infidels to kill.

It’s their war, it’s their bestiality, let them be content that Western behaviour is a very great deal more civilised than their own.

related material
the nature of cult recruitment

the web address for the article above is
http://www.abelard.org/news/politics0607.php#chavs_jihadis_080706

as the panic grows in oldnewold - the dumb socialists war against the even dumber socialists

The two wings of the socialist party:

1. The old old Socialists are still dumb enough to believe they can win with [Gordon] Brown the Clown;


2. While the old new old Socialists know they can only win with a liar like [Tony] Bliar.

This is an unusually straight-forward report on the Socialist party behind the PR front.

So old.new.old.new are searching high and low for a new figurehead, but who could old new old new old new.old.new.old find among the talentless ranks of socialism. Where is another actor with even the thespian skills of Bliar to pretend to be prime minister?

After all, the prime requirement to be taken in by socialism is ... rank stupidity.

Unfortunately for them, the natural government of the UK now has a real Tory leader again in David Cameron; so both lots are in a flat panic as they spy the gravy train fading away.

Meanwhile, the panic amongst the fading socialist coup in the Tory [Conservative] Party is a joy to watch. Every day, some mediocre Tory fossil or journohack tries to undermine David Cameron by faint praise or hypocritical pretence at ‘objectivity’.

Every day, they whine on about how if only Cameron would listen to them, as they once more trot out their failed nostrums. Why everything would be just dandy. It’s bad enough these mediocrities receive media space, but they are all so damned all-fired borrrrr-o-o-i-i-i-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-gggggggggggggg.

Day by day, I scan their columns and mostly they have about as much content as a shopping list. There is just so little politically worth linking, or posting! And meanwhile, so far, Cameron just keeps on doing the right things.

the real tory party is back in business

cameron

“Pledging a more innovative approach, Mr Cameron said the Conservatives would investigate the use of aid vouchers - which put directly into the hands of poor communities, would be redeemable for development services of any kind with an aid agency or supplier of their choice

“The vouchers could be converted into cash by the aid agencies. And for the first time, poor people themselves would be the masters, and aid agencies would have a direct and clear incentive to deliver effective services. Such an innovation would help show us what the poor really want - and who is most effective in meeting their needs," he explained.”

For any pseudo-realists who still don’t get it - well-run countries do not produce never-ending floods of refugees and chaotic population growth.

davis

“ It shows that the issue of insufficient prison places is not just about keeping dangerous criminals off the streets but also about making sure offenders who are imprisoned are done so in an environment that is safe and conducive to rehabilitation.”

For any pseudo-realists who still don’t get it - rehabilitation is economically better than prisons which, as a previous Tory Home Secretary said: “Prisons make bad men worse”[approximate quote], or, yet another liberal Tory:

“Shortly after becoming Liberal Home Secretary in 1910, Winston Churchill embarked upon an ambitious reform of the English prison system. As an opening gambit, he arranged matters "so that next year there will be 50,000 fewer people sent to prison than last year."”
—
“His first principle of prison reform was "to prevent as many people as possible getting there at all." For the 5,000 boys between 16 and 21 who were sent to prison for offences like swearing or playing street football, Churchill proposed "defaulters drill" or disciplinary exercise. Secondly, a law to allow a period of grace for the payment of tines was intended to aid the 90,000 people who went to prison each year in default of payment.

“Thirdly, imprisonment for debt was to be abolished and, finally, he proposed a "suspensorys sentence of imprisonment by which means the young rowdies, prostitutes, drunks and vagrants would be subject to a period of statutory warning before being sent to prison.”

the web address for the article above is
http://www.abelard.org/news/politics0607.php#oldnewold_040706

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